As long as they have notified the public that the
clues are no longer viable, I believe they have been
responsible letterboxers. Many letterboxers
appreciate the archiving of vintage clues. I don't find
the site to be 'cluttered.' So, no, I don't think it a
prudent request.
Funhog

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott" wrote:
>Based on this, would it be prudent and reasonable to request them to
> remove their listings on the LbNA database as no clues are available?
> This would help reduce some of the site's clutter.

> Based on this, would it be prudent and reasonable to
>request them to
> remove their listings on the LbNA database as no clues
>are available?
> This would help reduce some of the site's clutter.

I think that it's good to keep retired boxes on LbNA but
ideally they should be marked as such. I've switched BOB's
boxes that forward to pages that have been removed to not
forward. It would be great if the author could mark there
boxes as retired if they are. It looks like that was done
for one of BOB's letterbox.

Choi

I've always thought, though, that it would be nice if
retired boxed could have some sort of flag or other
marker on the list so that you could tell at a glance,
without having to click on and read the clues to find
out that the box is gone. Atlasquest lists the status
of the box, and I'd like it if Letterboxing.org did
that, too.


--- funhog1 wrote:

> As long as they have notified the public that the
> clues are no longer viable, I believe they have been
>
> responsible letterboxers. Many letterboxers
> appreciate the archiving of vintage clues. I don't
> find
> the site to be 'cluttered.' So, no, I don't think
> it a
> prudent request.
> Funhog
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott"
> wrote:
> >Based on this, would it be prudent and reasonable
> to request them to
> > remove their listings on the LbNA database as no
> clues are available?
> > This would help reduce some of the site's
> clutter.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> letterbox-usa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>

I agree. A retired marker/flag right by the LB title
would be a real help for finders.

I can understand the desire to keep vintage clues
especially for find statistics but I would really
appreciate a "retired" marker so I don't waste my time
and gasoline trying to find it. For me it's not about
the hike it's about the excitement of finding the box
and the collecting the stamp image.


--- sandra listorti wrote:

---------------------------------
I've always thought, though, that it would be nice if
retired boxed could have some sort of flag or other
marker on the list so that you could tell at a glance,
without having to click on and read the clues to find
out that the box is gone. Atlasquest lists the status
of the box, and I'd like it if Letterboxing.org did
that, too.


--- funhog1 wrote:

> As long as they have notified the public that the
> clues are no longer viable, I believe they have been
>
> responsible letterboxers. Many letterboxers
> appreciate the archiving of vintage clues. I don't
> find
> the site to be 'cluttered.' So, no, I don't think
> it a
> prudent request.
> Funhog
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott"
> wrote:
> >Based on this, would it be prudent and reasonable
> to request them to
> > remove their listings on the LbNA database as no
> clues are available?
> > This would help reduce some of the site's
> clutter.
>

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I concur.

I, too, am more interested in the finding of the box than the hike.
This issue has been chatted about before regarding missing boxes.
There are a number of boxes on the database, some by prominent
letterboxers even, that say things like "9/5/2003 -- box reporting
missing. Will check on status soon." A year-and-a-half later and no
update.

At least, however, those boxes give some clue that the box might not
be there. The real frustrating thing is when a bunch of people
confirm a box missing but the placer never updates the clues. There's
no indication on the site, so we ignorantly hunt the box that isn't there.

But anyway, that's a rant. As far as retired boxes go, an enhancement
that would indicate such on the site would be great.

Thanks for the commments.


CPAScott



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Rosemarie
wrote:
> I agree. A retired marker/flag right by the LB title
> would be a real help for finders.
>
> I can understand the desire to keep vintage clues
> especially for find statistics but I would really
> appreciate a "retired" marker so I don't waste my time
> and gasoline trying to find it. For me it's not about
> the hike it's about the excitement of finding the box
> and the collecting the stamp image.
>
>

Hi, Scott,

I tried for months to contact Bob, Jeremy, and Greta. Nada. Bob is Jeremy's father and his email is inactive. I have no idea why they can no longer box, but they at least they said they were abandoning the sport. So now, what of the boxes still out there? What of the nice hikes that those boxes drew 'boxers to? Do we leave those abandoned boxes to litter the earth?

We (Team Safari) have volunteered to co-adopt the Proposal Series with another boxer who posted interest on Jeremy's message board. Actually, it's more like foster care.

Dan and I recently took a ride up to Purgaory and "found" all 4, but the problem with #1 was all that was left was the corner of a log book. Something or someone took all the rest. (We replaced the box and log but had no stamp, and had to relocate the box. The other adopter told me that she is going to get or make a stamp.) The rest of the boxes (3) are there, and okay. The last box has a new log book. Our co-adopter lives in the area of the series and is going to take care of these, and when they are ready to go, one of us will repost the clues.

The clues were probably removed previously from LbNA when the "new site" prompted the webmasters to take boxes off the listings if no placer claimed them. People couldn't find the boxes or contact the placers... but 3 of the four boxes were right there where they were in 2001!! One stamp had gone missing and another boxer replaced it with an "x o" stamp. (That was fitting for a proposal box. ) One toally soaked-through and ballooned log book sits here, dried in my home, waiting to be claimed.

SO! That's 3 out of 4 boxes and logs, and 2 out of 4 stamps that made it from 2001 to 2005 in a HEAVILY used park and with no placers looking after them. Pretty amazing. I have to credit fellow boxers with their care. I often see posts reminding others to PLEASE rehide carefully and I have heard way too many stories of missing or trashed boxes. But look at how many people treated these boxes with TLC! If we had not had such a wet spring, maybe that log book would have done okay. Finders have obviously been replacing bags, etc. :-))))

We have cleared adoption with a webmaster. The understanding is that we will care for these boxes but the placers still own them and can reclaim them at any time. If any member of the Disch clan emerges and wants to take over again or retire the series and make sure that none are left unattended to litter the environment, then fine. It really does belong to them, after all. Until then, we will be surrogates for at least these 4. Maybe you might want to do the same with a box? In lieu of that, maybe post specifics of a box of theirs with the box name in the header of your post? i.e. "MA - Anytown - Box x-y-z not found, placers not found" Then someone interested in looking for the box could Google or Yahoo the name to find out any info and decide for themselves whether to try a search (and possibly a rescue), or just fuggeddabouddit.

I think the Disches pretty much said that they were out of it, but didn't explain what they intended to do about the boxes left out there. I think they are just walking away, but hoped that someone would still enjoy hunting for any boxes that remain. It sounds like they were getting discouraged with having to constantly replace missing stamps or ruined boxes and have decided to let happen what will to the boxes still out there.

I personally wouldn't want the webmasters here to remove any clues just because the placer is absent or not responding to correspondence. I'm sure that there are other boxes in "the basement" still, because of similar circumstances.

I didn't realize that any of their boxes were still listed on LbNA, Scott, probably because I'm not from MA and haven't looked. I had to hunt a little for the Proposal clues. I understand your frustration. But you did find Jeremy's webpage and even if he is not minding it, there is info about their boxes on the guestbook there. You and anyone else have the opportunity to try the hike and maybe find a box that's still there.

If anyone knows them or hears anything from the Disch family, please ask them to contact me. :-)

Happy boxing!

Safari Woman


----- Original Message -----
From: cpascott
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Requesting former boxer to remove listings on LbNA?


Hi all ... while printing clues I've noticed that boxes placed by
"BOB" on the LbNA database all have broken links. Investigation to
their website found the following message:

"Sadly, we have decided to put a halt to our letterboxing activities.
We have had a great time, and we were very happy to be a part of it
from the beginning, but we were not able to keep up with the frequent
replacement of tupperware, wet log books and recarving of stolen
stamps. The clues have been archived for personal use. Good luck the
many new thousands of Letterboxers and their hunts. Jeremy and Greta"




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